Years ago, I announced why I'm paying down my mortgage early. I ended up paying off a mortgage in 15 years and feel great about it. As an early retiree who started the FIRE movement in 2009, I suggest paying off your mortgage early too.
Ideally, we should all pay down our mortgage before we retire or want to take things down a notch. Even with negative real mortgage rates making owning a mortgage more attractive, eventually becoming debt-free is the way. Once you no longer have mortgage debt, life is relatively easy to afford.
Let me share my mortgage pay down story and the benefits of paying down a mortgage early.
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Why I'm Paying Down My Mortgage Early
After buying a primary residence in 2014, I now have four mortgages. Three mortgages felt OK since one was a primary home mortgage. The other mortgage is a vacation home mortgage that produces income. The last one is a rental property mortgage that is cash flowing nicely.
But four mortgages feels like too much, and I plan on doing something about it by paying one off!
I'm sure only a small minority of you think having four mortgages is OK. Even though being leveraged in a rising real estate market is good for building net worth, eventually the good times will end.
What's interesting about personal finance is that we all have different levels of risk tolerance. Some people aren't comfortable with any debt, hence they don't borrow anything.
I admire such people for their ability to live thoroughly within their means. Other people let lifestyle inflation get the best of them and take out massive debt that is not comfortably supported by their income. Obtaining credit is so easy in America. The only people who annoy me are those who expect others to constantly bail them out.
One of the curiosities about debt is the joyous process of getting into and out of debt. There's a certain thrill of buying things with debt. Everybody wants something they can't have or fully afford, including myself. Then once we reach a maximum debt limit, it's almost equally as fun getting out of debt. Each $1 that is paid down feels like a victory.
This post will review my thoughts on the ideal mortgage amount based off the ideal income amount, discuss the history of my first mortgage, share more reasons why I'm paying down that mortgage, and my new mortgage pay down strategy.
The Ideal Mortgage Amount
The ideal mortgage amount is essentially the maximum amount the government allows you to deduct based off the ideal income level of $200,000. Given the government loves to take advantage of people through a “do it or pay a fine or go to jail” type of rule, it behooves us all to take advantage of anything they allow in return.
The current maximum mortgage indebtedness is $750,000 + $100,000 for a Home Equity Line Of Credit (HELOC). I don't recommend anybody take because the interest rate is higher. A HELOC will just give you more temptation to spend. With mortgage rates under 3% for a 5/1 ARM and under 4.5% for a 30-year fixed, you're paying $30,000 – $45,000 a year at most in mortgage interest.
Given it's a good rule of thumb to spend no more than 30% of your gross income on all housing expenses, an income level of around $200,000 +/- $50,000 is optimal.
As of 2022, mortgage interest phaseout begins with incomes of around $254,200 or more for individuals and $305,050 for married couples filing jointly. All of these numbers coincide with the 500+ survey participants on Financial Samurai. They agree that $150,000 – $250,000 is the ideal income for maximum happiness as well.
Whatever your gross income is, multiply it by 30% to figure out how much mortgage interest a year and other expenses you can afford and work from there to get an appropriate mortgage for you. 30% isn't a hard rule, but a good general estimate based on current rates.
History of My First Mortgage
The mortgage I plan to pay off comes from a property I purchased in 2003 for $580,000. It is a two bedroom, two bathroom condo with parking in a prime location in San Francisco that overlooks a park.
It's nothing fancy, but it has everything I wanted as a first time homebuyer. I put down 25% and took out a $435,000 mortgage on an income of roughly $200,000. My initial mortgage interest rate was around 5%, which has since come down to 3.375% thanks to several refinances.
I lived in this property for two years and loved it. Given it was my first property, I wanted to be a little conservative. But I also felt the itch to buy more because my range was up to a $900,000 purchase price with a $720,000 mortgage. One always regrets not buying more in a rising market. The rise in real estate prices and your own income level helps make this so.
After conducting some mortgage arbitrage on my new house by borrowing $150,000 more than I thought I would at 2.5% to pay down $150,000 worth of my rental property mortgage at 3.375%, I'm left with roughly $118,000 on the rental.
It's been 16 years since I purchased the property. I've been inspired by others around the web who have paid down their mortgages in much shorter periods of time. Sure, they might have smaller mortgages to begin with. However, everything is relative since mortgage amounts are dictated by income amounts.
Reasons Why I'm Paying Down My Mortgage Early
Here are the three main reasons why I'm paying down my mortgage early.
1) Discomfort.
The $118,000 rental property mortgage has now become a nuisance. It feels uncomfortable having four mortgages despite the positive cash flow. Every time I log into my Personal Capital account, all I think about is how great it would be to just delete that liability from my net worth as I seek to minimize. The nuisance feeling is the same reason why I decided to pay off my MBA student loans after the fourth year. This was even though the interest rate was under 3%.
One of the biggest fears I have with paying down a mortgage is locking all that money in one asset that might blow up. But given that I've purchased another property, I've effectively diversified my asset holdings. My rental property now only accounts for 18% of my total property holdings vs 28% previously.
In other words, I feel more comfortable having more money tied up in my rental property because the pie has grown. Once I pay down this rental mortgage, I can then focus on paying down my vacation property mortgage.
2) Low mortgage and interest for a while.
3.375% is a pretty good rate for a rental property mortgage. But 3.375% is still about 0.5% higher than the 10-year risk free rate at the time. Today, of course, the 10-year Treasury bond yield is over 4% due to higher inflation post pandemic.
If interest rates were going to continue rocketing higher, I would much rather hold onto it. Let's say a comparable mortgage has an interest rate that climbs to 10% in two years. Then of course I should borrow at 3.375% for as long as possible. But since I highly doubt this will be the case, I'm just going to pay it off. If I'm wrong, I've still got two other mortgages at low rates.
3) Lower tax bracket means lower mortgage interest deductions.
A mortgage is most beneficial when one is in a high tax bracket. If you're in the 37% Federal income tax bracket and make less than ~$700,000, you should probably keep your mortgage for as long as possible. The mortgage phaseout will eventually completely nullify the interest write-off potential hence why I wrote “~$700,000.”
Now that I can go between the 25% and 33% tax bracket depending on how much I pay myself, the mortgage interest shield is less meaningful. Remember, everybody gets a standard deduction of $6,200 for single filers, $9,100 for head-of-household taxpayers, and $12,400 for married couples filing jointly and qualifying widows/widowers as of 2014. The deduction will only continue to grow over time.
If you have a mortgage amount above the $750,000 deduction threshold, here's how to calculate it to lower your taxes.
My Old Mortgage Pay Down Strategy
I basically deployed three mortgage payoff strategies over the past 11 years:
1) Refinanced my mortgage every chance I got.
I refinanced my rental property mortgage three times. I originally got a 30-year fixed at around 5%, but soon learned my lesson to switch to a 5/1 ARM a couple years later. The initial mortgage payment used to be divided into 80% interest and 20% principal.
But due to a lower rate, the percentage of the payment going to principal doubled. If you haven't refinanced in a while, now is the time to check the rates online and do so as the 10-year yield has declined from 3.5% in 2018 to under 1% in 2021. That's was an all-time low folks! Unfortunately, rates are much higher in 2022 and beyond due to higher inflation.
2) Randomly threw extra money at the mortgage when times felt good.
I never had a systematic mortgage payoff strategy. I originally thought I would pay off the mortgage by 2013 (10 years), but because interest rates kept on going lower, I decided to delay the payoff strategy and reinvest my proceeds in real estate crowdfunding and other investments.
When times felt good I've gone to the bank to pay down anywhere between $500 to $30,000 of the principal since 2003. But with this post, I'm going to get more methodical now in paying off my mortgage.
3) Paid my mortgage on time.
The principal payments each month have grown from roughly $250 a month now to $1,000 a month with refinancing and extra principal payments.
My New Mortgage Pay Down Strategy
1) Use some after-tax consulting income.
Consulting income is considered “bonus” income for me as I never anticipated being a consultant when I left my day job in 2012. But it's been eight months now of receiving a steady consulting paycheck. I've been currently living off a small paycheck I pay myself from my business and the excess rental income in order to never touch principal.
Allocating consulting income to paying down a mortgage feels purposeful and will give me added incentive to continue being a consultant. When you don't need to work, it's easier to just do whatever you want and lose discipline at work. Monthly mortgage pay down target: $5,000
2) Reallocate $10,000 worth of expiring structured note investments every six months.
I buy a structured note in an index or particular stock every two months on average to consistently build my investment portfolio, dollar-cost-average, and diversify my equity investments. The investment amounts range from $5,000 – $50,000 a note, and they are in all sorts of different things.
The most recent expired note is a $15,000 LinkedIn, one year note that paid 2.5% interest a quarter if LNKD closed above $168 at expiry. At one point, LinkedIn was under $168 a month (20% below when I first bought the note) before expiration and I would have lost 20%+ of my investment. Because it closed above $168, I got 100% of my investment back plus the 10% interest income.
I feel like I escaped with a $3,000 victory and I plan on keeping that victory alive by going for a 100% guarantee by paying down my 3.375% mortgage down. Annual principal pay down contribution target: $10,000 ($833 a month)
3) Utilize 100% of excess income from target rental property.
Given the rental income is $3,800 and the rental mortgage is $1,300 a month, there's a $2,500 spread. Unfortunately, I've also got to pay $500 for HOA, and around $7,200 a year in property taxes. The monthly positive cash flow number is $2,000, but only $1,400 if I were to amortize the $7,200 a year in property taxes. All of these figures are before deductions, which makes the cash flow greater.
Only $300 of the $1,300 mortgage is interest, so from a net worth building perspective, I'm generating more like $2,400 a month. I like the idea of using the excess rental property income to pay down that particular mortgage. I'll keep other income generating assets separate. Monthly mortgage pay down target: $1,400
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4) Continue to pay my mortgage on time.
About $1,000 of the $1,308 a month mortgage is principal. Therefore, $12,000 will be paid off in one year. This is easy to do.
Total mortgage pay down a month: $5,000 from consulting + $833 from structured notes + $1,400 from rental income + $1,000 from mortgage payment = $8,233 a month. Given I've got $118,000 left, I should be able to pay off the mortgage in 14 months. Update as of 6/1/2016 is that I have successfully paid off my rental property mortgage and couldn't feel better. I have no regrets not using the money to invest in the stock market, bond market, or private equity market.
Come Up With Your Own Mortgage Payoff Plan
I know very few people who actually take 30 years to pay off their mortgage(s). Part of the reason is because the average homeowner moves every 10-11 years now.
Another reason is because incomes generally rise over time while mortgage payments stay fixed. This fact is one of the real beauties of property ownership, my favorite investment class to build wealth.
Not only are our incomes rising, but so too are rents and the value of our properties. As a result, homeowners tend to throw extra cash towards paying down their mortgage and solidify a strong financial future as well.
If you can relate to any of the three reasons above on why I'm paying down my mortgage early (discomfort, belief in low interest rates, move from higher to lower tax bracket), then certainly try and pay down your mortgage quicker.
Here are some further general guidelines I'd follow before initiating your own Operation Mortgage Pay Down.
Before You Pay Off Your Mortgage Early
1) Ascertain all your liquidity needs.
When rates are low, there's no hurry to paying off your mortgage quickly due to alternative investments that can easily provide a higher risk-free return. The real decision has to come from analyzing your current and upcoming expenses.
Money is most expensive to borrow when you need it most. Therefore, it's always good to have some type of liquidity cushion. The minimum I recommend is three months of living expenses and one year of future large expenses covered e.g. next year's tuition.
Let's say a family of three has $7,000 a month in after tax expenses and college tuition is $20,000 a year. I would shoot for having $41,000 liquid. All other money can be used to pay down mortgage principal at a rate based on your comfort level. The more you track your finances, the more comfortable you will be about managing cash flow.
Living paycheck to paycheck is an extremely uncomfortable feeling. You will feel more stressed and go through more arguments if you do. So having at least three months of living expenses at the bare minimum is important.
2) Know the alternatives.
Paying down principal is a good thing, unlike getting into credit card debt. So one should feel great paying down a mortgage. But it's always good to know the alternatives just in case you lose your job or have much larger expenses than anticipated.
Do you have your insurance coverage needs updated? Another question to ask is what your house cold sell for. Also ask if you have the ability to earn other income streams? What other assets can you sell and what are the penalties for selling early, if any?
The more alternatives you have, the more comfortable you should feeling paying down your mortgage.
3) Assess how bad you will feel for missing out.
If you paid down your sub 5% mortgage in 2009, you've missed out on 18%+ annual gains for five years in a row in the stock market on that money. Nobody knows the future with certainty. Therefore, it's a good idea to diversify your money by paying down debt and investing at the same time. Follow my FS DAIR framework. Because interest rates are so low, I would use a 20% debt / 80% invest ratio.
In fact, a good guideline to have is using your mortgage rate as the percentage allocation for paying down debt vs. investing. For example, given my rental property mortgage is 3.375%, I will allocate 33.75% of my cash flow to pay down the mortgage. If the mortgage rises to 6%, I will use 60% of my savings to pay down the mortgage. The remaining 40% will go towards investing.
4) Calculate your realistic retirement age.
It's a good idea to pay off all debt by the time you reach retirement age. Most people in retirement will not earn as much as they did during their working years. But once you've got a home fully paid off, it really doesn't cost that much to live a comfortable retirement life.
Let's say you've been allocating 30% of your after-tax income to homeownership. You're also saving 30% of your after-tax income for retirement. Finally, you're spending 40% of your after-tax income on everything else.
Once you're in retirement, you no longer need to save 30% of your after-tax income. And once you've paid off your home, all you need to do is replicate 40% of your after tax income to live the exact same lifestyle.
Focus On Paying Down Debt Over Time
I thought I would be mortgage free by now after 11 years. But I'm not because I wasn't deliberate enough with my mortgage pay down system.
Now that I've written out three extra strategies beyond my monthly mortgage payment, I strongly believe my mortgage will be paid off in a year. If it isn't, you guys can always chip in a thousand bucks or two!
Mortgage Update
I fully paid off my Pacific Heights 2/2 condo mortgage in 2015. In addition, I also paid off $810,000 of my Marina rental home mortgage in June, 2017 because I sold it. I tried my best for 45 days to find renters, and couldn't, even at $1,000 LESS a month.
Luckily, I got a strong buyer for $2,732,500, a full $1,000,000 more than I would have sold it for in 2012. Hallelujah it feels amazing to have less debt and more flexibility. Then I paid off my Lake Tahoe vacation property mortgage early in 2022.
I ended up writing about the triple benefit of paying off a mortgage early.
Got Into New Mortgage Debt
In 2020, I bought another property at the start of the pandemic because I wanted more space. Now I've got a primary residence mortgage again. But the rate is only 2.125% versus 8.6% inflation. Therefore, I'm in no hurry to pay down this negative real mortgage rate!
There is a downside to paying off your mortgage early. And that downside is losing some motivation to earn. By having a mortgage, it keeps me more disciplined about my spending and savings habits. This is just something to be aware of.
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Great article,
There are too many articles on-line on how to build wealth by buying rentals on 30 year loans to buy and “afford” more and more. I think these guys are paid by the banks to get more people in debt. I over extended myself following their methods in 08, we all know how that went. I learned from my mistakes. I now own 3 properties, primary and two rentals, all three on 15 year mortgages under 3%. I have them set up to be paid off on 10 years, by re-investing the profits back into the principal. When it’s all done, no mortgage(s) plus a pension. I will gladly pay the taxes and move on with a peaceful life.
You’re right – the times I’ve paid down extra principle, I’ve always felt a great sense of satisfaction, much more so than when my regular mortgage payment goes out. Thanks for the motivation!
Congratulations on reaching your goal. I recently joined your club 18 months ago. I bought my first rental house in 1996 and my 9th one in 2004. I did like you and threw as much $ at the principal of one of them as I could. I paid off the first one in 2008, and that got the snowball rolling (and growing). With that extra income, I was able to pay off 4 others with brute force between 2008 and 2016. After enjoying 10 years of appreciation, I sold 2 of them in 2013/2015, and cleared enough to pay off the last 2… 7 places paid off in 8 years. And when I got laid off my job in early 2015…. I couldn’t have cared less. Best of luck to you in the future!
We have a 15 year mortgage with 13 years left to go. I have definitely thought about paying it off early. Right now I’m concentrating on adding money to our investment accounts. I have the money in my ESPP earmarked for mortgage repayment. So whenever I sell company stock then I will use that money to pay off mortgage.
Sam,
I have read you articles sporadically over the last couple years. I think your advice is always sound, especially given how hard it is to give financial advice when the correct answer to the same question is so often different for different people. This is an excellent website.
I’m a real estate broker, mortgage broker and property manager of 15 years. I’m 36. I manage almost 200 units in Southern CA.
Paying down your mortgage (early) is the American dream, and for so many it is just the right thing to do. Piece of mind, or perhaps a principal payment instead of a trip to the MGM Grand, fine reasons both to pay her off early. But I think it is important to note most people in the comments and generally speaking are thinking of their primary residence. There is a distinction between your home and rental. I call them rentals as your home is an investment too, but a different one. I will address the rentals here as that caught my eye on your post. Advanced real estate as opposed to Real Estate 101.
If you are trying to grow your RE portfolio, your rentals should have debt. Not fully levered, but a respectable amount depending on your situation. Debt as we all know is powerful. In the wrong hands it is sure disaster. But for those who know how to properly use debt, it is a powerful tool toward success and financial freedom. One can argue the appropriate LTV till the cows come home but let’s use 50% as an example. That is enough to take advantage of the leverage and tax advantages but not so much that you couldn’t weather any financial storm (rates, economy, crash etc). Everything I have levered at 50% is going to cash flow no matter what. And while you are ahead of the curve, you are sill fairly young and it sounds as if you are interested in continued growth. I personally don’t mind working at this point (self employed of course) so I’ll just keep buying till I’m ready to call it quits.
Every situation calls for specific analysis and thoughts. However in your case I don’t think three mortgages is that many. Everyone is different. Seems to me like the next step would not be to pay down your dialed, appreciating cash flowing SF rentals but rather to take a foray into some 2-4 units. Or perhaps get into some 5+ with non recourse options to get some debt of your personal balance sheet. Keep the empire growing, you seem very capable at all that you do.
Last, a lot of people here and elsewhere comment on the worries and difficulties of being a landlord. In my opinion managing one or two rentals, as long as they are close to you, is a piece of cake. If you are intelligent and efficient about it plus don’t take anything personally, it takes next to no time at all. Your advice on renting is all quite good. If people follow it managing one or two units doesn’t have to be a second job.
Matt
Hello Sam,
I was searching for ideas on buying a second home when I stumbled on your website. I would love some advice. My husband and I purchased our first house three years ago (30yrs 3.5%), it is a two family house and we live in one of the apt, our monthly mortgage/taxes payment after rental income is $900. Now during those 3 years we have saved over $70K and decided to look for another two family house. We found one where the rental income is actually greater then the mortgage/taxes by like $800. Meaning our overall out of pocket payment for the 2 mortgages would be like $100 a month. We are both 30 (no kids yet) and scared to go forward with the second home because it would leave us with not much savings for couple of weeks, or should we just try to pay off the house we have now quicker.
Thank you
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Sam,
I think you are literally a financial genius. We are very similar in our out-of-the-box thinking, yet you take it to an entirely new level by throwing in curve balls like comparing the mortgage rates to the 10yr risk-free rate and combining that with your opinion that rates won’t rise soon enough for you to put your money in other investments vs. paying down what most people consider “low interest rates.” I grin at nearly every one of your posts because most of your rationale is (at least partly) against widely-held beliefs and I agree with almost all of it.
I read something about you wanting to become a CFP and I immediately imagined you sitting across the table from a couple you’re pitching to manage their money. I could just see the looks on their faces while you’re explaining the strategy. Your mind would probably be ten steps ahead of them. It’d be hilarious. You’d probably just say, “Ok on second thought, here’s a link to my blog. Read every article and input all your financials into Personal Capital by Tuesday and let’s reconvene.”
Anyways, with all your financial savvy, how come you’ve never looked into multifamily or commercial real estate? It seems like you’d kill it. I’m not a big fan of the stock market other than low cost index funds because I feel like it’s such an efficient market, but commercial RE is a really inefficient market where your type of mind could really do well. I know you’re dipping into Venture Funding, which is probably one of the only things I consider a more inefficient market than commercial RE (aka you can really get great deals), but man…you seem like you’d kill it in the commercial RE sector. Plus you have the equity to start you off…
Just a thought…from your financial doppelgänger :-D
Howdy T-Biz! Thanks for dropping by. I actually do some personal finance consulting with 1-3 clients a month, and it’s been very rewarding and fun.
In retrospect, I probably could have done better in multi-family or commercial real estate. I’ve got a specific post on this topic in the queue you’ll enjoy reading. But for the mean time, the reason I’ve rationed is because I buy property for lifestyle first and money second.
Best, Sam
I have enjoyed reading your article. It is all so frightening knowing that the wrong move could bring one to financial ruin. I have a question and look forward to your wisdom concerning my situation.
I am 57 and married. We have a 345,000 mortgage on our primary (3.625 7yr Adjust, opened Dec 2014). We have very little in retirement – 10K (SEP-IRA). I have an investment property that I want to sell (tired of playing landlord) and at a price that will bring me 150,000 after capital gains, etc. I was thinking of refi’ing and paying down the primary mortgage by 75,000-100,000. That would give us back about +/-500/month to add to our retirement, plus we will have another 50-75,000 to build an emergency fund and escalate funding our retirement. Is this reasonable thinking? Thank you
Sounds reasonable to me Jason. 10K in ALL your retirement accounts is not a lot. But, how much is your investment property bringing in, and do you have other income like a pension, and what is your estimated Social Security?
Hello,
I am an avid reader and look to build wealth as you have done with property ownership. One thing that holds me back from pulling the trigger is dealing with the reality of tenants. Anyone here have such a horrible experience that the negativesin dealing with tenants outweigh the positives? I’m thinking of worst case scenarios of lawsuits about negligence, and things like the recent gas explosion in NYC which may be traced to the landlord in that circumstance.
Thanks
Sam,
I would be interested in possible writing a piece for the blog. I know I saw a post somewhere that you were looking to to have others from the community post on the blog. I have a post coming out at the end of this week on my 7-year strategy to pay off my mortgage.
I would love to share that with you and see if you would be interested in a custom and unique post around the topic for your readers. Or maybe even something else?
Let me know what your requirements are and if you are interested. Also let me know if there is a better way to communicate about this other than in the comments of a post.
Love reading your stuff. It gets me excited about what my blog can become with consistency and time.
Cheers!
Great post Sam. I am totally on board wrt the liquidity argument. Any thoughts on where to store your liquid cash so it can grow at least at 2% keeping pace with inflation?
5 year CDs are offering 2.2% interest, but I’m investing in a venture debt fund that is providing a minimum 8% annual prefer return. I think it’s worth investing the liquidity around as the SP500 index is yielding over 2%.
Great to get other peoples thoughts on investing in real estate.I have been doing it for forty two years. My first house was mortgage free in eighteen months at age 19 and going in and out of mortgages every now and then, I have ten properties nine of which are let and one I live in.only one mortgaged.At the moment buying physical gold instead of paying the one mortgage off .
I really enjoyed reading all you comments.
Kind regards to you all.
Michael
I paid off my house. I like to tell people I knocked off 15 years off my mortgage for $25 a week. There were 3 steps:
1) My mortgage was at Wells Fargo and they offer a bi-weekly payment plan. So if your monthly payment is $2000 they take $1000 out every 2 weeks. This worked for me because I was so bad with money 12-15 years ago; I had a hard time ‘saving’ up to pay my monthly mortgage bill. It was much easier for me to be paid on Friday and have ½ my payment come out on Monday. With this plan there is an extra ½ payment made toward principal every 6 months or so when there are 3 pay periods in a month. This knocked down the principal a lot.
2) I then realized I could pay extra each Monday and put just in an extra $50 per payment. That was not much but it paid down my debt $100 per month. It only cost me $25 per week.
3) At the first of the year, I increased the extra payment by $50 (again, just $25 per week). I figured if I could not adjust my lifestyle by $25 a week, once a year, I was too close to the edge anyway. I normally got a merit increase toward the end of each year which helped.
This took my 30 year mortgage and paid it off in 15.5 years. Feels good. No debt for 4 years.
My Story..
Saving 75% and use that money to knock off my mortgages…
1st mortgage = paid off in 4 years, now tenanted
2nd mortage = paid off in 3 years, now tenanted
Debt free but I’m in a dilemma… what should i do next ? invest in stock market ? or 3rd mortgage?
Great article Sam! I think you will feel really good once that first mortgage is gone. Maybe it will inspire you to do the rest. :)
It’s interesting how you mentioned the psychology of getting in and out of debt and how we basically view it as a game [my words]. We paid off our home mortgage earlier this year, way in advance, because we simply wanted to be 100% debt free. It was less about the numbers and more about being in an emotionally satisfying place. The odd thing is since then, all we can think about is moving up in house since our kids are beginning to outgrow our current space. And wouldn’t you know the subject has come up about taking out a small mortgage to get to the price point we want. Haha…I just paid one off and am having thoughts about getting another one.
I don’t think we will follow through with that…I just find it interesting that our minds work that way – thinking debt is the vehicle and first option to get where we want to go.
Thanks Brian.
Getting into and out of debt definitely feels like a financial game at times. Getting this fourth mortgage has given me to pay down my more expensive mortgage. Before then, I didn’t have that much desire. It’s pretty fun.
Let me know how your new mortgage adventure goes. Gotta get what the wife wants right?!
much respect but you shouldnt pay down your mortgage especially when rates are at historic lows. they are never going to get these cheap rates for prolly decades. I understand you want to ease your fears but its a mortgage and mortgages are like a put option. you get all the upside when markets go up and limited downside when **** goes down. lets say real estate tanks. your mortgage becomes higher than the real estate value. additionally, it goes negative cash flow because the renter moves out. Perfect. stop paying your mortgage. they can only take whatever you put up as collateral which is most likely the investment itself. so you can tell those banks to take over the worthless investment. You lose your 20% down payment, but thats what happens when you play the real estate game (better than 100%). You destroy your credit sure, but if you are rich, you didnt really need the credit in the first place. credit is amazing, since you can make money using other peoples money. You dont have to feel obligated to pay it back because remember they determined how risky you are and charged you interest. lastly you can easily restructure by talking to the banks, they would prefer this route than taking over your worst investments.
^ won’t happen in SF. His +/- million dollar condo won’t go down < $200k value (barring an alien invasion or WW III.) It's about as safe as safe gets, and a prime vehicle to borrow cheaply against for another acquisition. That's how HNW is readily created in this city.
May I ask how many mortgages you have and what you are doing with your money?
This one mortgage is a very small portion of my liabilities, and the condo is also a minority portion of my net worth. I have three other mortgages once this is paid down.
I have four mortgages on several properties in SF. My leverage is only 42%. I live off the rental income. All my properties were heavy value added plays- i.e. Expanding living space, adding a unit, lot split, etc., so after the project is complete I gain a lot of equity, plus it cash flows due to highest and best use. In addition I also condo convert, taking the units off rent control. And having non rent controlled units in a rent controlled city is like printing money. The more our Board of Stupidvisors do to suppress new construction and expand tenant rights, the more low rent tenants hoard their units, and the higher marginal rent rates go up! Only in SF…
Oh, and one more thing. Who cares about having four (or more) mortgages, if they are invested in high quality RE that is easily servicing them? That’s the whole point of RE investing! I have four mortgages on various properties in SF, and feel great! Cash flow easily covers all PITI, with choice deductions like depreciation tax returns are a joy, I have lots of equity, and as you say, it’s a cinch to find and retain quality tenants in SF. Of course you want to be cautious about over leveraging, and keep a close eye on the rental market (in SF’s case tied to the tech industry.) But local SF landlords know how sticky rents are, even during 09-11 they managed to go up!
So under proper circumstances, don’t fear mortgages!
I agree with this. I have eight mortgages an I sleep fine. It’s more about cash flow, equity, and cash reserves than it is about number of mortgages.
Do you own other rental properties, in SF or elsewhere? Elsewhere you write about how RE is your favorite asset class, so I wonder why you focus on paying down the loan on the condo, when you could use it to pull cash out and buy more investment properties. If you picked up 2-4 units (with cheap 30 year fixed loan money) in SF when it was much easier during 2011, or even in 2012, you’d be printing money right now!
I own other properties. I’ve reached my limit and would rather work on my online endeavors and keep diversified. More fun currently too.
Im paying down my mortgage, not selling the property. There’s a difference. What do you do in SF? Where and when did you buy and are you buying more now?
My father had a friend that would never purchase a new car, instead he would always buy a car that was two years old. The problem with buying a new car, he said, was that as soon as you drove it off the lot it devalued immediately by 20-25%. To him, that was throwing money away. He rathered other people take that devaluation and by the time the car was two years old things leveled off and he got far more for his money.
But what about treating yourself? What about that new car smell, knowing that the car only has 34 miles and you are the only one that drove it except for that technician at the factory? Its almost a crime to let your whole life slip by and never indulge. Save for 40 years then die so someone else can have the money?
Mark,
Just curious.Was he like this in every aspect of his life or just for new cars? If he forbore from buying new cars , but indulged in some other pleasures where he spent freely , i think that’s reasonable. I’m not sure if we can judge a person from just one aspect of his spending personality.
Good luck finding a car that is 2 years old that is 25% that the original purchase price. I think this is an old myth that may have been valid in the past, but is not valid now. Besides, I think I would pay that 25% (even if true) just to be the only owner of that car. The 25% depreciation is a myth, but it is not a justification for buying used. We buy lots of things that depreciate much faster than that.
I meant 25% less than the original purchase price.
My strategy was refinancing to a 15 year mortgage about 11 years ago. About 8 years ago, I accelerated the principle payments to pay off the mortgage in June, 2017 to coincide with retirement. I had the bank’s customer service representive help me calculate the exact amount.
Normally, I see no reason to accelerate paying off mortgages for real estate. Mortgage interest rates are so low and subsidized by the IRS due to your tax rate. In the past, I invested my excess money in areas that were diverse and grew faster than the interest rates and inflation. Further, decreasing your interest deductions for tax purposes increases your taxable income. When you invest the excess money, you are subject to capital gains tax. My strategy is not for everyone, but it is a different perspective to paying down mortgages that only yield an adjusted less than 3-4%..
You’re right about finding your own tolerance. We had 4 mortgages and it was a bit much. We owed over $600,000 and that’s too much. We reduced it a bit by consolidating to one duplex. The plan is to pay everything off in 15 years or so. Then our expense will be at a very comfortable level. Probably sell off more properties during that time too.