Despite the typical American having less than $150,000 for retirement, the average spending amount in retirement is surprisingly high.
According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics data, “older households” – defined as those run by someone 65 and older – spend an average of $45,756 a year, or roughly $3,800 a month.
I don't know about you, but spending $45,756 after-tax a year in retirement sounds like a lot!
Based on a 20% effective tax rate, $45,757 is equivalent to $57,195 a year in gross income. Based on a 10% effective tax rate, $45,757 is equivalent to a $50,841 a year gross income the average retiree is spending.
To generate $50,841 to $57,195 a year in gross income requires an investment portfolio of $1,271,00 to $1,429,875 generating 4% a year. Could it be that the average 65+- year-old retiree is a millionaire? Based on retirement math, the answer is yes!
Seems Like A Lot Of Money To Spend In Retirement
However, given we know the average 60-69-year-old American retiree has only about $198,000 in their 401(k) and only $63,000 if we look at the median 401(k) account balance, something seems off.
Or, we can take the positive view that everything seems to always turn out OK in the end. After all, if you are a current retiree over the age of 65, you likely have some pension income and are certainly eligible for Social Security, which averages roughly $1,422 a month. However, depending on the age you retire, you could earn a maximum social security benefit of $4,555 a month!
Add on some financial help from respectful kids, and most retirees are doing well financially. Unfortunately, the same might not be true for future retirees.
Average Spending Amount In Retirement By Category
Let's look into the juicy details from the BLS data. There are seven categories in total, which may be an interesting way to categorize our own retirement spending plans.
Here is the average spending amount in retirement by the most important categories.
Average Spending Amount In Retirement On Housing: $1,322
Housing is surprisingly the largest expense by far for the average retiree. With the median home price in America at roughly $225,000, spending $1,322/month on housing seems quite high.
Every personal finance enthusiastic should have their house paid off by the time they retire. After that, all that's left should be maintenance costs, property taxes, insurance, and utilities. Therefore, it's clear that the average retiree still has a mortgage to pay.
If the average retiree had no mortgage, their housing cost would be closer to $300 a month based on the average home price in America. Pay off your mortgage folks! And certainly, reconsider the wisdom of renting for life. Renting long term is like shorting the stock market long term. Not a good idea.
Average Spending Amount In Retirement On Transportation: $567
$567 a month for transportation cost is another surprisingly high figure given seniors get discounts for public transportation.
For example, in San Francisco, depending on income, seniors get a 50% – 100% discount on their monthly MUNI pass, which includes buses and subways. Thus, their total cost, if they rely exclusively on public transportation, is either $0 or $47 for their monthly MUNI pass in one of the most expensive cities in America.
As a senior, spending $6,814 a year for transportation makes it seem like they are constantly getting ripped off at the auto mechanic shop. Yet according to the BLS, the average household of other ages spends $9,000 a year on transportation costs.
These ongoing auto expenses is one of the main reasons why everyone should spend no more than 1/10th of their gross income on a car. Overpaying for a car is truly one of the biggest personal finance killers for the average American.
With senior discounts for public transportation and the invention of ridesharing, transportation costs should come down over time.
Average Spending Amount In Retirement On Health care: $499
I'm pleased to see that health care cost averages “only” $499 a month or $5,988 a year. The average health care cost for a working individual is closer to $20,000 a year and heavily subsidized by the employer.
All this horror talk about health care costs spiraling out of control in old age seems to be exaggerated, so long as you have Medicare or some type of subsidized health insurance program.
Just make sure you consider purchasing a long-term care insurance policy before its needed. The cost of long-term care can completely wipe out the average retiree's savings. Expect health care costs to rise by at least 5% a year, forever.
Average Spending Amount In Retirement On Food: $483
$483 a month for food is reasonable. With so many early-bird specials starting at 5pm, how can a retiree not save money? What a nice life to eat a steak dinner for 60% off, watch some TV when you get home, and go to bed by 8pm.
Let's just make sure the average retiree doesn't get a hold of a food delivery app. If so, their food budget will go out the window.
Related: The Average American Household Is A Millionaire
Average Spending Amount In Retirement On Personal Insurance / Pensions: $237
I don't quite get this category because a 65+-year-old head of household is supposed to not be working. But the BLS explains that this figure is for those in the household who are still employed, pay Social Security tax, and perhaps some contribution to Social Security.
In other words, one of the secrets to retirement is keeping your spouse working! By having a partner work past 65, it's much easier to spend up in your retirement. Just make sure the working partner doesn't resent you for living the good life.
See: How To Get Your Spouse To Work Longer So You Can Retire Earlier
Average Charitable Donations In Retirement: $202
$202 a month or $2,429 a year in charitable donations accounts for roughly 4.2% of annual gross spend. 4.2% is a respectable amount since the average percentage of gross income donated to charity is closer to 3% in America, or $2,081.
It's much better to donate your money while alive than after you're dead. At least if you donate while living, you can see and gain the satisfaction of knowing your money is getting put to good use.
Average Spending Amount In Retirement On Entertainment: $197
$197 a month seems low for entertainment. When you have all the time in the world, it's easy to spend more money. Think about going on a 21-day luxury cruise to the Mediterranean or flying to Hawaii during Polar Vortex season. These activities cost money!
But what I've found in retirement is that it costs less than I thought to be entertained. With so many free parks and activities open while most people are working, there's always something for me to do in San Francisco.
Because you're so much happier being free, you don't require as much expensive entertainment to counteract all the stress you experienced while working.
The Average Retiree Lives A Good Life
My main conclusion from the BLS data is that the average retiree is doing splendidly well. Overall, the average spending amount in retirement seems relatively luxurious.
Being able to spend $45,756 after-tax or $57,195 in gross income each year is a handsome sum of money given the median household gross income is roughly $61,372.
Put differently, the average retiree is able to spend 94% of the median household's gross income without having to work! However, please beware of inflation eating away at the average retiree's buying power. At least the cost of living adjustment for Social Security is keeping up.
Retirees Are Happier Than Average
Given having the freedom to do what you want, when you want is truly the biggest booster of happiness, is it any wonder why our happiness increases with age?
Personally, I've found the biggest benefit of retiring earlier is greater happiness for longer. I did four months of part-time consulting in 2024, and was reminded how much I hate commuting, being told what to do, and attending meetings!
Based on this data, none of us should ever again dread getting old. But I will say, based on first-hand experience of leaving the workforce in 2012 at age 34, it's absolutely worth it to consider accelerating your retirement date.
It's one thing to have money and freedom. It's another level of satisfaction to have money, freedom, and health. Make no mistake, your body will slowly begin to fail you as you get older.
It will take longer for you to recover from an injury or sickness. You'll begin to feel more aches and pains after playing sports. And you'll slowly start to lose your mental sharpness, especially if you aren't consistently exercising your mind through the creative arts.
Making sacrifices for early retirement is worth it. Putting in the effort while you have the energy isn't a big deal.
If possible, shoot to retire between 40 – 50 years old. Such an age range provides the maximum amount of time for wealth accumulation. It also minimizes regret for working not enough or too long.
Alternatively, you can retire early and prepare for a 50-year retirement. But that requires a lot more capital or the need to generate supplemental income in retirement.
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This guy simply spews unrealistically conservative recommendations that few can actually follow. If you make $250k per year ( per IRS data that puts you in the top 7% of all earners ), you can only buy a $25k car. WTF??!!!
He takes the same unrealistic approach on retirement withdrawals. He recommends withdrawals limited to 80% of the Ten year treasury. Thats about 3.4% today. Thats a bit more than 1/2 of what most FAs recommend today. Based on a 60/40 equity/fixed income mix. Heck, Retirement withdrawals at 100% of the 10 year treasury would very conservative. If can do what he recommends great – good for you. Most people cannot.
Hi Gary, I feel your fire. Thank you for sharing your thoughts.
The question I have for you and others is: do you want to be average with your one and only life or do you want to be above average?
Average people spend way too much money on a car and not enough money on investing. Average people in America are overweight and risking a shorter lifespan than their potential.
If you want average results, do what average people do. That is no problem.
Personally, I think there’s nothing wrong with driving a $10,000 used car or less. I also think there’s nothing wrong with having a dynamic safe withdrawal rate in retirement because the economy is always changing.
For a married couple with a standard deduction of $27,000 or so, there is no way they will have an effective tax rate of 20%. The most favorable example would be a State with no income tax. In this case, the hypothetical couple with $45,756 after tax income would pay $2,000 in Federal Tax at most. This means there gross income would need to be $47,756.
You are right! Thanks for the feedback. The survey data from the government came out years ago, but the standard deduction amounts keep going up every. year.
I added,
“Based on a 10% effective tax rate, $45,757 is equivalent to a $50,841 a year gross income the average retiree is spending.”
Spending $50,841 a month a year in retirement is pretty good living once all debt is paid off.
Ugh.. I continue to be frustrated by poor retirement advice
…Pay off your mortgage folks! The answer is Maybe not. I purposely did not pay off my mortgage, at 2.5% interest rate on my loan I wanted to keep my exiting capital in the market. From an opportunity cost viewpoint my money served me better invested. Second, my mortgage interest helps to bump me over the standard deduction thus reducing end year taxes. Do I have higher monthly expenses? yes but at the end of my 30-year mortgage I will have more in my account had I paid off my mortgage at retirement
Please poke holes in my plan. I am 59, married, and we will both retire in two years. Our house is paid off, no debt or payments.
House Taxes: 500
Energy: 300
Water trash: 200
Cable TV: 200
Phones and data: 200
Groceries: 600
Travel: 2000
Cars: 500
Restaurants: 700
Total : 5200/mo 62400/yr
If we retire when I am 60, and her 55, I plan to delay OASDI until 70 for me and 70 for her. Doing that gives me a 6700/mo benefit when both are over 70. Which is enough to live on.
So for me to retire I need roughly 12.5 years of 62,400, or $781,250 total when I am 60.
OK I forgot healthcare. My wife is a nurse and she gets free healthcare for both of us.
Curt, I wouldn’t rely solely on Social Security. If nothing changes, you’ll only get about 3/4 of that benefit because of a lack of funding. So, I’d adjust your calculations to anticipate that reduction. Also, have you considered the impact of inflation?
Things you may be missing with sample monthly costs:
Home insurance & umbrella policy: 100
Home repairs and upkeep: 300
Support for children/family members: 250
Gifts: 150
Miscellaneous shopping: 400
Charitable donations:
Taxes:
Housing costs should only be around $300 a month if mortgage free? Are you insane? Here are my monthly costs for a free- and- clear house:
Property taxes -$1024
Insurance – $90
Utilities – $250- $500, depending on weather
(gas, water, sewer, electricity- does not include cable, phone)
Repairs, yard maintenance, etc- varies widely.
I save on transportation costs (drive an older car, when I drive at all), medical costs (mine are almost zero, as I have Medicare and no ailments, so that’s $144/mo)
And as a single, it is harder, as many costs (that big housing one) can’t be shared.
I agree $300 a month is 100% wrong. tax alone is over that.
Unless you live in a waterfront house in Cape Cod, I very much doubt your property tax is $ 12,000 / year
I live in an average home on Long Island, in NY. My prpoerty taxes are nearly $14,000 per year. Many people’s property taxes are between 15-20,000 a year, so yes, well over $1,000 a month. No Joke, Dan!
We are newly retired (mid 50s). We have a net monthly income of $12,000. Mortgage is paid off, monthly expenses are about $4000; that includes a substantial donation to charity. We live comfortably although not extravagantly. We expect to use about $2000 for “fun” – occasional travel, some new clothes from the outlet center, a few new books. We will probably give the excess to various faith based organizations.
What is the median spending of retiree households between the ages of 70 to 75. An average will be weighed towards wealthy retirees.
Our budget for retirement spending is $10,000 per month in after tax income in today’s dollars (for my husband and I combined).
Property taxes $1,000
Homeowner’s insurance $167
Medical insurance premiums $2,000
Health costs $500
Utilities $500
Food $1,000
Other misc $1,000
Travel $1,000
Contingency $1,833
Total $10,000 or $120,000
If we don’t need that much, great, but I don’t want to retire and find out we don’t have enough for how we want to live. I have a post on this if anyone is interested in more of the details around how I came to these numbers, the big unknown of the contingencies, the issues with relying on social security, etc.
Sam, after 75 or 80, many retirees aren’t going to be traveling a ton and most of their monthly expenses will be related to health care (needing full-time caretakers or nursing home). I’m relatively young (Under 40) but why not just spend down your assets and get on medicaid at that point? Everything is free! We have people whose parents never paid a dime in taxes but we pay for full-time nurses and round the clock care for them, while punishing retirees who paid in the system for 40+ years, by making them pay out of pocket.
There are tons of elder-planning lawyers out there!
you don’t have a clue
The reason the health spending is so low is because by 65, all the people with expensive lifestyle diseases are already dead!
This is literally survivorship bias. Badumtisch.
“To generate $57,195 a year in gross income requires an investment portfolio of $1,429,875 generating 4% a year.” What type of assets should you invest in or asset allocation to get these returns? THANK YOU
60 Total Stock Market Fund and 40% Total Bond Market Fund.
The spending data seems to be for households over 65, not retired households. It does not appear to differentiate between the spending of working households over 65 vs spending of retired households over 65. We can assume 100% of people 65 and older are retired and not working but that seems illogical.
I think that’s right. Not 100% of people over 65 are retired, with some households having at least one working spouse, which skews the numbers higher.
Not exactly sure how to read this. I personally would not want to be working over 65. Doing some leisurely writing here and there and volunteering, yes. But not working a FT day job.
Completely agree on the not working over 65! Just wanted to point out the spending may be a bit higher (although not by much I would guess) due to possibly of existing employment. Great read as always!
It just kills me when I go through a checkout line late at night and some poor woman who might be 70 years old is ringing up my stuff. If she’s still there, something went wrong in her life is all I can figure.
The best I can do, at that point, is try to get her to laugh which, although I am not an extrovert by an means, I can usually manage.
I am over 65 and retired from my “day job,” as is my wife. The biggest monetary difference is the about $16,500 payments we do not make to Social Security. I still contribute to my 401K. There is no difference in what we spend each year. None of this happens if we did not contribute the maximum to retirement plans for most of our working lives. There are no do-overs.
As to the practicality of all this, and I am prepared to be labeled a sexist for saying that we could be bankrupt were my wife in charge of finances. It’s just the way it is. She does not know and does not want to know how to access our accounts. My wife has a degree in Math – so it’s not that. She just doesn’t have time to think about this stuff.
It is really important for the person in a family who cannot manage money to not manage the money. And if no one can manage the money get some free advice, of which there is plenty and follow it.
It’s interesting that people forget once they retire, they don’t have to save for retirement any longer, which frees up a lot more money.
Good point on not paying the FICA tax anymore.
It was one of the commenters: Bo Dangles
The disparity at the beginning of the article is caused by bad math. You’re taking the MEDIAN 60-69 year old for retirement savings, and then comparing to the AVERAGE spending. That’s where your problem lies.
Or maybe you are bad at reading?
“Given we know the average 60-69-year-old American retiree has only about $198,000 in their 401(k) and only $63,000 if we look at the median 401(k) account balance, something seems off.”
The median 401k balance is only $63,000. The average is $198,000.
Maybe I need to do more bolding. I donno.
I often wonder how many people I lose based on my inability to make things clear or a person’s inability to understand clearly.
There’s a line between how simple I should write and getting really disinterested. Hmmm.
Hmm, people that read things like Financial Samurai probably serve to move that average higher above the median. I am aiming for our 401k funds alone to be more than an order of magnitude above that average before we start RMD.
Yes, we’d retire now, but we can’t bring ourselves to do that until we can start drawing from our pensions and social security, still more than a few years off.
We’ve both been poor and neither of us has any desire to ever re-experience that, especially once we are out of the work force and probably no longer able to return, even if we wanted to.
Even though it will mean selling a few non-retirement assets, we intend to retire when our pensions start at 63 and take SSI as well. The goal being to get to 70 (when RMD kicks in and ends all money concerns) without touching the retirement funds, but having some serious fun in the meantime and hang the expense.
You will NOT take SSI – which is Supplemental Security Income – that is for the poor.
You will take OASDI – Old Age Survivors and Disability Insurance.
Can you elaborate on this by giving a number example. When SSA says you will get $1,700 at 67, what is the breakdown between SSI and OASDI and what is the difference?
I guess most of us receive OASDI, but is this just semantics when someone who receives OASDI says s/he receives SS?
Definition: SSI disability benefits are available to low-income individuals who have either never worked or who haven’t earned enough work credits to qualify for SSDI.
Supplemental Security Income is a program that is strictly need-based, according to income and assets, and is funded by general fund taxes (not from the Social Security trust fund). SSI is called a “means-tested program,” meaning it has nothing to do with work history, but strictly with financial need. To meet the SSI income requirements, you must have less than $2,000 in assets (or $3,000 for a couple) and a very limited income.
Disabled people who are eligible under the income requirements for SSI are also able to receive Medicaid in the state they reside in. Most people who qualify for SSI will also qualify for food stamps, and the amount an eligible person will receive is dependent on where they live and the amount of regular, monthly income they have. SSI benefits will begin on the first of the month when you first submit your application.
SSI applicants are somewhat more likely to be female as fewer women are eligible for SSDI benefits (about 71% of women compared to 79% of men), generally because women have fewer qualifying years of work (over 60% of men have worked at least part of every year of their adult life, while only 41% of women can say the same).
thanks
Happy to reply Sam,
All $1,700 would come out of the OASDI fund. OASDI a could be considered SS benefits.
SSI is basically a welfare program for people that have not worked enough to get an earned benefit.
SSI is mostly disability benefits. It can be retirement benefits for people with little earnings because they just never worked much or came to the US at an older age. The rules for older people moving to America late in life have been made much more difficult over the years. In the past you could bring your elderly parent saying you would support them. Then you stop the support and they got an SSI payment!
In rear instances you can get OASDI and SSI. If your earnings are low and your earned benefit is say $500 you would get $300 in SSI to bring you up to the $800 SSI amount. Doesn’t happen often.
Acronyms. I used to be good at them but as time goes by and they keep proliferating, I should probably seek to avoid them. What you said, although I’m starting not to think of 63 as terribly old. Either way, we intend to take social security income as I think we’d rather have it at the reduced rate, so we can leave the 401K funds alone to keep growing until RMDs, whoops, required mandatory distributions, kick in and we no longer need the social security (but will still take it, of course).
So far as I know, after that we can leave the remaining non-retirement funds alone to grow for our kids to inherit since I can’t ever see us spending them (as we would be betting against living long enough to ever need them).
Or possibly they could pay for rejuvenation therapy should George Church at Harvard be on the right track . . . although, should something like that come along I wouldn’t be surprised to see pensions eventually finding a way to terminate themselves, as well as social security.
Reply to Sam,
All of the $1,700 would come from the OASDI fund.
SSI is limited to a maximum of about $800 a month.
If someone’s earned benefit happens to be less than $800 it will be topped of to get to the SSI amount of $800. Not often.
SSI is mostly benefit payments to people with limited work history and this they are no entitled to an earned benefits. It is mostly disability payments.
Old age SSI payments do not happen that often. It used to be easy to bring in an elderly parent saying you would support them. Then you would stop the support and they would qualify for SSI. This was stopped some years ago.
Thank you for this information and clarification. I bet the majority of Americans, including myself did not realize this.
Snazster – you might want to run the calculations to see what tax bracket your RMD puts you in. It might be advantageous to draw from your IRA first and collect the higher social security at age 70.
Jim, you could not be more on the money. Run the numbers, you might be surprised. The largest portion of taxable income is RMDs.
I don’t typically comment but I see much missing here.
– first there was a bit of snarky sarcasm about retirees and money management/computer competency. Is this needed? I am 59, many many of my friends are in their 60’s and 70’s. They manage their money well, understand financial planning and use smart phones, computers and all the modern tools. Assumptions that this generation does not is sheer arrogance of youth.
– second. property taxes and heating/air conditioning in many regions can be well over 1000/month. I have a second home in Chicago (condo) values at 120k and the HOA is 560 taxes 183 and insurance about 75 per month. That doesn’t include utilities that are owner paid. I sold a home there in 2003 for about 250k and my annual taxes were about 8k per year. 16 years ago. In most regions property taxes go up annually by a significant amount.
– I did not look at the data in the original article but if it averages spend throughout retirement it should also provide by decade. The sixties to mid seventies is the time people travel more and stay in their homes. By the end of the 7th decade many people have moved in to independent living situations or assisted care. My 80 YO father just did this and it is all inclusive about 4600/month. He has very few additional expenses as food is included. He was s at a very nice place in an expensive area in NY but in Iowa where he moved from there were wonderful options under 3k/month. Others may move in with children at this point. Oh – my father does online banking. What a wonder. While his SS and pension don’t cover everything he sold his house for about 100k and this provides enough extra that he can likely stay where he is indefinately.
– Medicare is wonderful. I helped my parents through my mother’s last years and they were medically complicated – except for paying. Medicare is well run and covers much, especially with supplemental. The people that help you plan the right supplemental are very helpful. Paying for supplemental is a better deal than paying the medical bills without it. It works. I am now sold on Medicare for all.
– I just don’t think many of the posters here have much real experience with the breadth of retirement and what happens. It is a pet peave of mine that few retirement planners consider retirement by decade.
Oh and one last thought- I was convinced I would age in place but I see now after helping my parents and especially my dad that I probably will move to independent living at some point. He is having a blast and everyone I have met where he lives is very happy with their decision. I turned completely around on that topic – hey I am ready to go now lol
“first there was a bit of snarky sarcasm about retirees and money management/computer competency. Is this needed?”
Can you highlight where this snarky sarcasm is in my post? Must be a blind spot of mine because I don’t see it. Thanks
It’s not you, Sam! It’s in the fifth comment.
I think the number of pensions is a big factor in low 401k levels. My father never contributed to a 401k, but he had a pension from the company he worked for 32 at. He earned a small pension from the government job he took after he left the company, and that government job he was able to work at for 10 years. Dad lives quite well, and spends more than that average thanks to those generous pensions. Dad is a boomer.
By contrast, I am not ever sure a I will get SS. I can say that my taxes and insurance for my home in the NY area is north of $1000 a month amd my home only 1800 square feet. I do not consider my home small, but for the county I am in, it is. We will retire to a LCOL area, and do the geo arbitrage. I dont see any way else for that to be done for most folks. Now, you dont need to move to the South to find a LCOL area in the NY metro. All you have to do is to get outside the commute range of NYC and the other major towns around here. Go north of poughkeepsie, and you are in a much cheaper area.
Agree about the pension part. Similar to my parents. But I think there’s something where if you get a pension, you don’t get full Social Security….. there’s a trade off so you can’t have a max pension and max social security. I’ll double check.
If the pension is from a government job sometimes that affects social security, but I don’t know of any instances where a pension from a company would affect social security. My dad retired from the post office and didn’t receive social security, but he also didn’t have to pay into social security. For the most part your social security benefit is based on what you paid into it over your career.
OK, makes sense. If you pay the FICA tax, then you best get social security even if you get a pension and vice versa. Will ask my dad what his situation is.
I recall that giving me a bad moment once upon a time. But that’s only if you work for a government and, even then, only if they give you a pension in lieu of paying into social security, which some state and local governments do. Fortunately, most that provide a pension also require that you pay into social security. In which case they shouldn’t affect each other.
If you paid social security only part of your life, and then got one of those jobs without it, but with a pension, it gets complicated (of course it does). But if you worked 30 or more years paying Social Security taxes, your pension should not be affected.
It would be a real bummer to only realize this only as you were nearing retirement, if you were one of those employees that hadn’t been paying into social security.
Also keep in mind that if you have both a good pension and social security, up to 85% of your social security will probably be taxable (Federal only, not state if you are careful where you live).
“Also keep in mind that if you have both a good pension and social security, up to 85% of your social security will probably be taxable”
This is totally not true. Most pensions are less than SS and are not adjusted by inflation so each year their value lessens each year. Now if you have 1 million in a IRA at the same time then you would most likely pay up to 85% on your SS on a small portion of your SS.
I’d suggest everyone check out the youtube channel “Heritage Wealth Planning” instead of listening to all the doom sayers.
The data just shows that you need to be smart about your personal finances. Not when you are 50 years old bit when your are in your twenties.
But think about all these retirees who have raised kids but have not managed their own finances well. Due to circumstances or otherwise. These kids will most likely follow in the same footsteps of their parents. Living the same paycheck to paycheck life that everyone wants to prevent but somehow do not make a reality.
Hopefully these kids will look at the average retired parent and think again! Spending your money on useless stuff will not make you happy. Freedom to do what you love, with the people you love, very likely will!
I think you need to re-evaluate your income and health care assumptions. If at 65 and retired, most take SSI. Also at 65 all retirees are on Medicare. So that maybe why those income and costs are explained.
I work for Social Secuerity – most do NOT take SSI. Most take OASDI – Old Age Survivors and Disibility Insurance
That’s interesting. Why do you think that is?
Because OASDI is the official name for what we typically call social security.
And SSI is supplemental security insurance which is a welfare program.
OASDI can be over $2,000 a month and varies based upon lifetime earnings.
SSI is about $800 a month and everyone gets the same amount.
I think the numbers are high, but only for my standards as a very frugal person. In my view, a senior should live in a LCOL area to pay less in housing and other general expenses. Your post suggests that a fair number of seniors do live the big life thus skewing the averages. Despite my frugal tendencies, I think it’s understandable. After working 40+ years, lots of people want to enjoy the fruit of their labor by having a nice car, eating at expensive restaurants and traveling internationally. What’d you wish for your parents? I’m sure you hope they’re living a good life. Whether boomers can afford it with their savings is another problem and already well addressed in your other posts.
Considering the avg 65+ has a pension that for those of us under say 45 don’t, things do not look good for future retirees.
Care to comment on how these numbers would work out in an expensive coastal city? For example, how much are you paying in (no longer deductible) property taxes and insurance for your San Francisco home?
Sure. People spend more and have more in expensive coastal cities, given the cost is above average.
Medicare has helped my parents a lot so I can believe it’s possible for the medicL expenses to be that low. But it also depends on one’s state of health. My mom has a lot of issues so she ends up paying for a lot of out of network expenses. Dental has been the worst. She has spent a crazy amount on dental work. Makes me want to take better care of my teeth so hopefully I won’t need so much work when I’m her age.
Plenty of places have monthly property taxes higher than $1322 a month; maybe these folks have paid off their mortgages.
Not really plenty of places. Only if you are in the Northeast or have multi-million dollar home would you be paying that much in property taxes. Fairly small section of the population.
Not exactly true. Here in The Houston ‘burbs our property taxes and insurance easily run over $1,000 per month for an average $300K home. This is definitely not the northeast!
The Northeast has 55 million people. More than a drop in the bucket, and apparently Texas, with its legendarily high property taxes, also has people in this situation. Not exactly a drop in the bucket, then. A significant number.
I’m not sure why folks in low tax states should pay more federal taxes just because some states have high taxes. It’s not like the low tax states are benefiting from the high taxes of another state. It is a subsidy for high tax states. Not fair at all.